What makes trail shoes so much better than normal running shoes?

Hey how’s it going! I am at Wasing Park, the home of Endure24 Reading we’re down here
and I’m with Graham Johnson, marketing manager Mizuno UK GRAHAM: UK Marketing Manager! The main man from Mizuno! I’m here with
with Mizuno and Graham in particular because they kindly sent me a pair of
their wonderful trail shoes which I used at the weekend. I used them up in the Lake
District and I’ve never worn trail shoes before and everyone said before I went up there ‘you’ve got to wear proper shoes’ I wore my regular Mizuno’s
and it was okay it wasn’t too bad but putting these on was a night and day
difference and so what I want to do is I want to ask Graham a few questions about
the sort of the year and the technical differences between trail shoes and road
shoes and he’s got some of the other shoes in the range as well to
kind of explain that because this isn’t this is a new thing for me I’ve always
run on the road a bit trail stuff. Endure I’ve always run in my regular Mizuno’s
as well so this is going to be an educational and enlightening interview
so Graham first of all tell you the shoes I got on there what are these ones
called? That’s called the Wave Daichi That is our most popular trail shoe
very versatile very comfortable so you get almost a road feel from it from the
cushioning in the fit of it but you get all the benefits of the trail
technology as well. And that’s the interesting thing because I think when I
first put them on I was expecting it to feel very different. It was a little
heavier it felt, but I was expecting it to feel like a completely different… like
putting on a pair of dress shoes for example would be very different.
I didn’t really know what I was expecting but I didn’t expect it to feel
quite so similar. So what what are the things that make it make a trail
shoe a trail shoe or make these ones so special? First before most I think
we probably have to look at the outsole and you’ll notice from that is a very
aggressive grip no obviously a lot of trail is run on surfaces that are
difficult to grip on that are uneven you have protruding roots, stones, twigs… so
what you need is something that’s going to protect you first and foremost from any
of that affecting the sole of your feet but also you need a really really
good grip so you’re not slipping. That’s quite simple they’re there
they’re the basics of a trial shoe. With our shoes I don’t know if you
could get a little close in on that logo there you will see we have a partnership
with Michelin who are world renowned making company Rubber Company and the
grips on all of our trial shoes when you look at them are all based on the logs
of mountain bike tires. And the reason for that is George, is when you’re
going through your gait and you’re running and you’re twisting and turning
these lugs react and spring clear all of the dirt and the debris and the mud so
that means you’re not going to be running after a short amount of time
with a load of dirt stuck in in between the lugs of your of your grip so very
important that your grip remains grippy at all times. That’s something I really
know it’s with just regular shoes that they just get clumpy and heavy running
through mud. I didn’t really have too much of a problem with that I think up
in the mountains at the weekend but maybe that was because they were dispersing
and getting rid of the mud. It was quite rocky and one of
the problems I’ve found with one of the challenges I found saying we’re doing
Endure that the two times I’ve done 100 miles I’ve got the 60 miles and the
biggest problem has been how painful my feet are. It just hurt, because every
stone feels like it’s being jabbed up and then you sense something about this
there’s a special plate or something within the shoe that helps to prevent
that? Absolutely right and then it’s called a rock plate and you’ll see this
in a lot of specialty trail shoes a rock plate is a very… I mean the name
maybe gives away what it’s supposed to do… so yeah there’s a protective layer in the midsole for exactly that sharp objects, stones, wood chippings… anything that could
potentially start after miles and miles wearing you down and actually providing
you with another hurdle on top of the hurdle that he’s running in the first
place. This is all about protection and security, that’s really what trail shoes
are about. Yeah we did about 20 miles or so on Monday and some huge ascents and
descents but just the force of actually putting a foot down on those descents
onto the rocks and it just didn’t feel anything like what I’d
experienced before. And I also noticed it just felt more stable as well that was the other thing because running you’re not just running in one plane it
so there’s a lot more different positions that your foot goes down in.
It’s less twisty is that another design thing? There’s a little
less talk it talks naturally because let’s face it you could be running on a
camber, you could be running down hill, anything where there’s a bump
or a lump you want your shoe to be able to move quite naturally with the
movement of your foot. But they’re a little less flexible
than a road shoe for that exact reason. But what I think you probably
experienced George, and what I said to you before you did the run was… all of
these things are really important but one of the most important things that
the trail shoe gives you is confidence, to put your foot where where others
fear to tread that are in a road shoe It really was
like that! So if you’re going downhill and it’s uneven and it’s wet
it’s pretty hairy you know you did you discover it on Saturday and you’ve done
this event before so you know there’s a really aggressive woodland downhill
section here and you see people tiptoeing down I’m scared of scared of
running and of course actually what they’re doing they’re holding themselves
back. And that not only are you running
slower but actually that’s harder. That’s where you get all the forces through your quads and thighs. This will actually allow you to run much more
naturally, because of the grip and the support and the stability of the shoe. I think actually it’s gonna take me a little while to get used to that because I
found myself even on on Monday and Tuesday when we were doing the running
but it was still quite I was still a little bit cautious and I thought it’s
gonna take the brakes off a little bit or and that’s exactly how it felt like I
had the brakes on but I just released him a little bit and I just found myself
falling down the mountain, but balanced and actually feeling that that
confidence was there but I wasn’t quite as brave or courageous as perhaps
I could have afforded so have been, because of the confidence that she
gives you. What about the other ones in the range now what’s the differences
between the other shoes? Yeah the shoe you’re running in George is the Wave Daichi is the very versatile neutral super comfortable great for all surfaces the
very adaptable trial shoe. If however you’re a bit of a speed merchant and
you’re not doing a solo here of 100 laps and you want to knock out a few really
really quick laps we have a racing version. So much the same as we do in
road range we have a trial range that adapts for different people so this is a
very fast a lot lighter a lot lower profile more flexible and just really
you don’t want to be doing lots and lots and lots of miles in this but if you’re
going out for a really quick trail run beat a PB, knock out some quick laps,
absolutely. So what’s the disadvantage to it then it’s but they’re the pros what
are the cons to me so don’t do too much too many miles on it? Less cushioning. Oh so just it’s just not quite as comfortable as the one And I think that’s the same
in the road running world and most of your members will know they get a
very very cushioned shoe they’re very comfortable, feels like a floating
sensation when you run. But obviously when they’ve got a racing shoe a lot lower a
lot firmer, and obviously after a while you start to feel that a little bit so
absolutely use it for your racing not something you’d really want to train in
to avoid potential injury you want to step up to something with a bit more
cushioning. Okay, what else we got? This will be our top of the range of
trial shoe, this is called the Mujin this really is designed for extreme
trail running so if you’re going to go into an area that’s got really difficult
surfaces very very muddy very uneven lots of protruding elements that might
cause you pain and you want maximum stability this is the shoe for you. So
yeah this is the serious shoe so where that would differ to the others
you’re kind of going up in levels quite a lot heavier quite a lot less flexible
and he has a rock plate all the way through so it’s a
maximum protection super training shoe that one. And at the end of the line, this is this is a fantastic shoe I think, this
is called the Ibuki. This is our… I’d say entry-level shoe, but it but a lot of
good runners use it so this is really used for recreational runners people
that don’t really need all of this technology so want to pay a little bit
less money but still want a really reliable grippy comfortable trail shoe. So you see a lot of people doing parkrun in this kind of shoe, you see a lot of
people doing long walks long hikes proper big hikes, you might go up Snowden or
where you were at the Frog, and you might just want to walk it rather than
running, incredibly good for that, and a slightly reduced price
point. You know he’s a very technical little bit more money but these these
are perfect for that. And I should probably point out as well that both of
these models come with a gore-tex lining as well so for those you know today’s a
great day it’s right but it’s a bit and you want your feet to stay a little bit
drier a little bit warmer you could buy it for a bit more money with up with a gore-tex liner. And the lining is inside, underneath the upper? Yes, so if you
actually go and buy a gore-tex version of this or this you’re getting two
fantastic partnerships because you’ll get Michelin, one of the best tire makers in the world, and gore-tex, one of the best fabric makers in the world. So two really excellent partners to have with us in our trail range and Graham, as the the marketing manager
you come up with the names be comes up the names for these things there’s there
they’re cool names but what do they mean? We’re a Japanese brand and the names are
derived in Japan that’s why I’m not sure That got nothing to do with it! There’s no English translation? They’re reasonable! I mean Daichi is quite clearly a Japanese word
Ebuki quite clearly Japanese word, Hayate… We do have English names
for a lot of our shoes but all of these for some reason have still got their Japanese names That’s your challenge – I want you to
find out what the translations are! Hayate means very very fast
Ebuki means very very heavy… I think you’re making it now! Well if that’s being
super interesting and I’ve already given these ones a a trial run and I’m looking
forward to coming back to Endure in a few weeks time and seeing what they can do
over the five mile loop and seeing how many laps I can get in as part of
the team which is it’ll be a different experience for me this year. Sseeing as we’ve given you those shoes there’s a minimum 10 laps! Okay okay it’s a deal! Cheers Graham, thank you!

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