Triathlon Shoes Vs Running Shoes


– Running shoes versus triathlon shoes. Big thing to keep in mind when you start going through shoes, however is… (upbeat music) I didn’t slip, you slipped. That was 9.66 kilometers
in 45 minutes 15 seconds, just under six miles. That’s the most I have ran since Austin. Heels tight at the start,
loosened up after about a click. This is progress, big progress. Morning, Trainiacs. Triathlon shoes versus running shoes, I would have fallen with either. Let’s talk about the differences though. I’m gonna get something out
of the way really quickly. First off is that, it
doesn’t really matter. You can use shoes that
are just straight up meant for training, running, long
miles, not going super fast, or you can use really fast
road shoes like racing flats for your long running, doesn’t
really make a difference, and truthfully speaking,
it’s not like there are huge distinctions between
this shoe is a triathlon shoe and this shoe is just for runners. No, no, no, no, no. However, there are some
shoes that, over the years, these in particular, these Zoots that are about five or six years old that were straight up designed for
nothing but triathlon in mind. That said, they were a complete failure. I mean, how many people do you know that wear Zoot Shoes these day? Not a lot. And then, conversely, these are HOKA’s, these are built up, these
are more traditional running, training shoes. How many people do you know that wear HOKA’s during triathlons? Lots. And you can totally get
away with just wearing one pair of runners for
all of your training and all of your racing, as long as it keeps you injury free, feels good, you feel fast, stick with what you know, but if you start getting to the point that you wanna start trying
out different runners, you wanna have something
that’s more for racing, more for track work, more
for speed work on the road, and then something that’s more built up for your long miles, for your junk miles, for your steady miles, here are the things that you should keep in mind
that are the differences between, we’ll call it as opposed to runners versus triathlon shoes,
we’ll go ahead and call it cushioned shoes versus aggressive shoes. So, in general, when you are
just going out and training, you want a fair bit of cushion. You want a shoe that’s going to absorb a lot of the impact of your body, and sure, over the last
bunch of years there’s been a whole lot of hype out
there about no, no, no you gotta go barefoot all
the time, no matter what. Well, fact of the matter is
that, when humans evolved and our foot structure evolved, we didn’t have concrete
out there to deal with, we had dirt, we had grass,
we had a little bit of rock, but people just wouldn’t run on rock, they’d go run on
something that was softer. So, our feet aren’t necessarily built for this artificially
hard surface concrete, and that’s what we run
on most of the time, so we need some cushion. Second thing about that
is that most of the say, natural runners on there
say, “Oh, everyone, everyone needs to run barefoot and humans have done it for ages.” Yeah, well, the humans
that have done it for ages also grew up barefoot. Basically, if you are
watching this video right now, odds are that you did not grow up running around the neighborhood barefoot creating the neuromuscular
connections in your feet, creating a strong arch, creating just overall strong foot health
from decades of being barefoot. No, you spent decades wearing
these or these in your house and your feet aren’t
prepared to go and handle a half marathon, a 10K,
a full marathon barefoot. If you’re just 30 year
old Taren that’s like, “Oh, I read ‘Born to Run’,
hey I’m gonna ditch these and I’m gonna go run around barefoot.” You’re in for trouble. I experienced that trouble. Okay, I think I’m several
minutes into ranting and not giving you a whole
lot of tangible info, but in general, training
shoes have more cushion. They also might weigh a little bit more, so while a pure racing shoe that is meant for just short bursts,
maybe you only break it out during a 5K, a 10K, a half
marathon, maybe a marathon, these might weigh anywhere
from five and a half to seven and a half ounces. A training shoe can weigh anywhere from eight ounces to 13 ounces. Training shoe probably also
has a fair bit more structure. Maybe you’re an over pronator
and you need a stability shoe. Maybe you’re a super-nador, soupinator? Super-nador, supinator,
maybe you need more structure when you’re doing miles after
miles after miles after miles, but in your racing shoe, you can get away with having a heck of
a lot less structure, because the shoe is only gonna be worn for that race and then ditched. Now, in my experience,
if you try to cheat that and you use a very aggressive shoe, a very light shoe meant
for racing like I did with these On Cloud Flashes? Yes, because this was all that I had. Basically all the other
shoes I had were toast. They didn’t cushion me
anymore and I was like, “Eh, you know what, leading into Austin, I’m just gonna do all my miles in this and I’m also gonna race in this.” This is a true road racing shoe that has very little structure,
very little cushion, and as you might know, I
developed some heel problems. And you’re talking to a guy
that walks around barefoot, that walks around on the side of my feet. I’m constantly doing little toe curls, I’m very conscious of foot health, but still, with that amount of load, and this little amount of cushion, there’s a good chance
you’ll develop problems. Alright, so what should you
be looking for in a trainer? In a trainer, look for, I would say, the most built up shoe that you could get with the most amount of
cushioning that you can get that doesn’t yet feel clunky. That’s kind of around
the HOKA Clifton 3’s. I haven’t tried the 4’s, I want to, but the HOKA Clifton’s for me. These are about eight to nine ounces, huge built up heel, but this isn’t yet their most maximal trail shoes that are coming in at 10, 11, 12 ounces. As much cushion as you can get while still not changing
your running stride, that’s what I’d recommend
for your day to day training. I’ve used this, I’ve used
the Sketchers GOrun 5’s. I’ve used the Sketchers GOmeb Razors. Currently using the On Running Clouds, and what I’ve found that you’ll find, is that opposed to a specific shoe, I’ve found that there
are say, characteristics of a good shoe for me for training. They tend to be anywhere from
about seven to nine ounces, they are neutral, so they don’t have a lot of structure in them. They have a heel to toe drop of somewhere around zero to four millimeters. They’re quite flexible, but they’re also not really aggressive. They’ve got a fair bit of cushion to absorb all that pounding
and then beyond that, I’ve used these Sketchers, these On’s, I’ve used the New Balance Zante, I’ve used Newton Distance Runners. All of those things, because they have similar characteristics are
good for me with training. When you get into racing, however, I ideally start wanting
to go towards basically the most aggressive shoe
that I’m adapted to. So, anytime in the past that I’ve had a really aggressive shoe off
to the side and I’m like, “You know what, I’m gonna
do all my training in this and then I’m just gonna race in that.” Hasn’t ended well. I’ve ended up having pain
in my feet after that, so what I would recommend
is do good chunkier training in your main trainers and then maybe, once a week do your speed work in these so that when you get to the
race you’re adapted to it. And then what I’m looking
for is something that has a fair bit less cushion, it’s weighing in the neighborhood of anywhere from six to seven and a half ounces, as opposed to that seven and a half to 10. It has a really, really light upper, so that it’s nice and airy
and my feet don’t sweat. It’s nice and smooth on the inside, as opposed to having a
fair bit more structure and stitching like that. The tongue is very
minimal so that it’s not getting in the way, bunching up, potentially creating blisters. Elastic laces on them, so
that I can slide the shoe on very quickly and transition, too. And that lightness will allow you to shave off a little bit
of time in your running and allow you to get up
and basically force you to get on the front or
middle of you foot easier, because you’ll kinda
just want to run upright. Like, these feel best when I’m running a four to four 15 kind of kilometer. We’re talking somewhere around
a six 30, six 45 mile pace, whereas these are very comfortable at a four 30, a seven minute mile. Sometimes tri shoes also have a little bit of venting in the bottom,
so that water can come out of there and it’s not just
pooling inside the shoe. These are entirely stretchy
material all on top, but they were just a horrible failure. This was like running
on a slab of cardboard. But you know what, all of that said, even when I’m racing and I’m healthy, I will typically just
go towards whatever shoe I feel best in when I’m running. Sometimes it’s been this like in Austin, last year I was training in this a lot, so even though it’s
not a pure racing shoe, I raced in that around Campache. I was testing out a ton
of Sketcher’s shoes, so I raced in the GOrun’s
and as you can see, they’ve very much got
demoted to yard shoes. Big thing to keep in mind when
you start going through shoes however, is as soon as you start feeling any bit of foot pain, I
typically feel it in here, on the side of the ankle,
you gotta ditch those shoes, you gotta get something new, because the cushioning has worn out. That cushioning is key. People often say, “Hey, what
shoes do you recommend?” Find those characteristics of
the shoes that work for you and then just start buying tons
of shoes, see what you like. These things are disposable. After two, 300 miles, you need new ones, so try out a lot, see what works for you. Now, back to the future moment, I have to go and do
that run that you saw me come in from this morning,
so I know how it went, you’ll now see how it went, goes. (upbeat music)

23 Comments

  • First, first like

  • Oooh 25,000 subs! Congrats, Taren!

  • I always go barefoot

  • Isnt the cloud more like a "every Day ging to Work and school shoe"?

  • I’m comfortable with my vibram. You don’t have to run in the same shoes all the time. My gripe with built-up shoes is most of the time they lack a lot in flexibility. And what happens is it creates some rubbing and I tend to get blisters under the ball of my feet and on the opposite side all the time. Doesn’t happen with the Vibrams because they fit snug. My other gripe is the poor lasting life of most shoes. And they are expensive. The reason is the place under the ball of my feet isn’t as built-up as the heel for instance. So I end up with pieces dangling under the ball of my feet and an almost brand new heel. My feet are made for minimalist shoes, that’s just the way it is, with racing flats a somewhat decent alternative. Now you need to be very progressive when cranking the volume up with minimalist shoes. As a side note, my body is ok with these, but pushing off the wall at the swimming pool gave me such a cramp in my left calf that it’s still hurting today 🙁 Do you have any tips to help with recovery ? For now I’m gutted because I can’t see myself running tomorrow.

  • Nice! I always end up going back Asics shoes! Also avoid black or dark colors. I live in Yuma AZ and the dark colors just cook your feet

  • I'm cold just watching that intro.

  • Great video Taren! I'm glad you put out videos like this keep it up! i am one to injure myself a lot so i really appreciate it!

  • It looks as if you have tiny feet…

  • I'm building up a new bike but I am struggling with my gearing choice. Should I go 1x with a 52 front and 11-32 back with the possibility of going with a 54 front in the near future or a traditional 2x set up with 52/36 or even a 53/39 in the front and an 11-28 block in the back.
    I plan to do races with climbs that goes up to a category 2 climb.

  • Taren – we may be over complicating things here. There is a reason why the Brooks Ghost is the leading running shoe on the market, my opinion is that unless you are going to go sub 3:30 on your marathon, trying to think specific racing shoes will help your race time is a waste of money. Gimmicks wont make up for required miles and speed work to go faster. Lighter shoes on heavy and slow runners will lead to injury. Sorry to be critical, but don’t want your subscribers to get hurt or waste their money. Can we see progress on your new HQ building.

  • Hey Taren, is hell running bad for our legs???

  • 9.66 KM ! What's wrong with you, you should have run around in front of your house to get to 10K

  • Hi TTaren! Before blaming your running shoes on your foot problems, did you take a look on your bike shoes? We tend to have many running shoes. By switching between them in training, we get different stimuli to the feet and therefore avoid injuries.The same should be the case on the bike. My recommendation, try flat pedals during off-season, they are cheap and you don't need extra shoes. They will also teach your muscles (neuro-muscular connexion) to be more efficient in your pedal stroke.Greetings,Paco

  • I have the Clifton 4s. Love them, but they're completely worn-through @ 184kms. That's ridiculous.

  • I have an old pair of Reebok crossfit shoes one of their first. Never been injured in them, they feel great and have outlasted several pairs of Nike run specific shoes.

  • Hey Taren, question for you after seeing you run on snow. I got super lucky last winter and got very little snow and more rain in the midwest so I could run outside all winter. Do you have any snow hacks to avoid the dreaded treadmill? Do you modify your shoes at all? Curious what winter conditions cause you to run on a treadmill or cancel your run workout altogether.

  • Hoka Ahari and never going back.

  • Hey Taren, I couldn't help but notice the Halo neuroscience headphones in the back. I was wondering what you think about them? Do you believe they provide a noticeable advantage? Have you seen any real benefit in your powernumbers for example? Kind regards from Belgium!

  • What do you think about arch support inserts?

  • I wear asiscs nimbus for training and road races and then asiscs noosa tri11 for tri races

  • Hey! I wear Zoots! I don't really like them…. but I have them!

  • The best running shoe selection guide.

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